[fpc-pascal] Does FPC 2.8.0 can actually still be called Pascal ?

Sven Barth pascaldragon at googlemail.com
Thu Feb 28 22:17:26 CET 2013

On 28.02.2013 21:42, Reimar Grabowski wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 19:46:07 +0100
> Sven Barth <pascaldragon at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> Yes, sorry, I did indeed mean Spring4D. And staying with the real thing
>> does only help if you use Java...
> Which was implicit. Choosing the right tool for the job (in this case Spring). If this means using a different language so be it.

For me it's more about providing the FPC users with the possiblities to 
nicely do things like dependency injection, etc.

>> a PHP developer (and he likes it), but when he started a
>> bigger hobby project he had taken a look at Free Pascal and liked it.
> PHP and developer in the same sentence, funny stuff. :)
> And he likes Pascal because of class helpers, (upcoming) closures and all the other fancy new stuff? If not your anecdote does not fit the topic at hand. He may also like it because pascal is a nice and clean language which is easy to learn and not because of the new features. But your point was that new developers come to FPC BECAUSE it now has the stuff they are used to. And this I doubt.

Ehm... ok... that was indeed a bad example -.-

>> This event would be - in my opinion -
>> where we definitely need to stop swimming in their backwash and steer free.
> My opinion has always been that neither FPC nor Lazarus should try so hard to be compatible. Doing your own stuff instead of following Delphi downhill has its benefits. But this is all up to the developers and not my business. If I don't like the changes, I don't have to use them. Easy as that.

We have different language dialects after all. As I already wrote in one 
of my previous mails I try to implement Delphi features in a more Pascal 
like way if I see it fit. And with most of the principles BEHIND that 
features I agree (e.g. attributes, closures, etc.).

> Looking forward to seeing FPC 'steer free' because then I can grab my skates and go ice skating in hell. :)

I wouldn't mind the hell not freezing over even if we steer free... I'm 
saying this after I've spent most of the day in a +6 degree celsius cold 
satellite antenna... ( 
https://ssimuc.de/content/pmwiki.php?n=Main.Groundstation )


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