[fpc-other] I thought it was going to get better, but no
nickysn at gmail.com
Sat Apr 29 00:52:57 CEST 2023
On 4/29/23 01:05, Jacob Kroon via fpc-other wrote:
> On 4/28/23 23:49, Tomas Hajny via fpc-other wrote:
>> On 28 April 2023 23:31:02 +0200, Jacob Kroon via fpc-other
>> <fpc-other at lists.freepascal.org> wrote:
>>> On 4/28/23 23:20, Nikolay Nikolov via fpc-other wrote:
>>>> On 4/28/23 23:48, Jacob Kroon wrote:
>>>>> After reading this email that I am replying to here, and
>>>>> revisiting the #fpc logs, the only conclusion I can make is that
>>>>> Nikolay Nikolov == "Joanna".
>>>> Are you joking?
>>> No, this is what it looks like to me, you are "Joanna".
>>> But I encourage everyone else to make their own conclusion given the
>>> information provided.
>> Please, stop this witch hunting game. No, Nikolay isn"t Joanna. I
>> thought that there was only one person throwing accusations without
>> any evidence in this whole discussion, but it seems that I was wrong.
>> :-( Please, be better at least by being able to admit your mistake.
>> Asking Nikolay for an excusing you would be the right thing to do if
>> you want to know my opinion....
> No, I object to "without any evidence": I posted the evidence is here:
> If you take the time to read the logs, I *think* you will see that I
> was not being confrontational at all. If you think I am wrong, please
> explain where and why,
What more do you want? I'm not Joanna and I didn't ban you. The channel
is run by her, because none of the FPC developers (including me) have
time. Therefore, it's not an official FPC channel. You're free to join
the alternative channel #fpc-alt, or create your own.
I called you confrontational, because you went on a crusade against her,
on the mailing list, instead of trying to talk to her and cooperate and
gain her trust. I understand it's annoying for new users to be
interrogated. I don't think it's the right approach, but I don't have
time to try to do a better job at moderation. However, 2 years ago, the
channel on FreeNode was practically unmoderated, and was overrun by
trolls and the experience was horrible for both new users as well as for
old users. Now, at least, the existing users are fine and it's possible
to discuss normal things about Pascal, but unfortunately new users have
to jump through hoops, until they gain Joanna's trust. It's not exactly
a dictatorship, it's probably better compared to a "visa regime". But 2
years ago, it was a burning trash can/landfill. I'm afraid that without
moderation the channel will turn back to what it was back then.
Moderating a channel is not that easy.
I think the solution to no longer endorse #fpc as an official channel is
fair. Since FPC developers don't have the time to moderate an official
channel, anybody can join any unofficial channel that they want. If you
don't like Joanna's policies, you can join #fpc-alt, make it a better
and more welcoming to new users place and, if you're doing a better job
it will eventually grow bigger than #fpc and most people will prefer it.
Or, if you're unhappy with #fpc-alt's moderation, you can create another
unofficial channel and do an even better job.
Also, things like your issues are probably better discussed on a mailing
list or forum anyway. On IRC, in a single channel, there can usually be
only one discussion at a time, and it's necessary for the people in this
moment to be interested in the topic. On a forum or mailing list, you
can post a topic and wait for an answer and it doesn't interfere with
people, who discuss other topics. On IRC, posting a question, while
other people are talking about something else can be perceived at trying
to hijack the conversation and shut it down. I'm not saying you were
doing that, but it can be perceived that way, while that's less likely
to happen in forums and mailing lists.
I won't comment much on your accusations of me being Joanna's sock
puppet account. All I'm going to say, it's at best a very bad judgement
on your part, at worst - a very lame attempt at trolling. I won't
necessarily assume malicious intent on your part, however it's bordering
on being very suspicious. So let's pretend you never said it.
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