[fpc-other] fpc-other Digest, Vol 150, Issue 8

Sat Apr 22 19:55:15 CEST 2023

Hi Graemeg thanks for visiting. I wish you had seen the topic which explains how to get in the invite list without an email. I’m sorry about that.

I’m very disappointed in the crazy talk I’ve found in here.
Since when is it ok for some stranger who has absolutely nothing to do with #fpc channel to come along and demand ownership of our channel that we use talk about our fpc coding everyday? This is insanity. He has no business there besides to cause trouble. I see no evidence that he even programs in pascal. He has his own channel is he jealous that he can’t get members or something? I don’t know.
Why would anyone take this person seriously? I don’t want to associate with anyone who takes him seriously I’ll tell you that.

I hope the people lurking are more sensible than some of the people talking in here. If anyone wants to be part of a nice fpc community in irc where trolls and Spybots are not allowed Please come join us in #fpc on Libera. If our channel gets hijacked don’t worry I will help you find where we moved to and make The new channel even better.

I have come here and given all the information needed for intelligent people to decide if joining an irc channel run by me is a good option for them or not. If the People in channel were not happy with me they would have left a long time ago. They aren’t hostages you know!

See you in irc or forums I’m done with this mailing list. Thank you for reading and have a nice day :)

On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 19:00, <fpc-other-request at lists.freepascal.org> wrote:

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> 3. Re: Why #fpc matters (Ralf Quint)
> 4. Rescue #fpc: was fpc-other Digest, Vol 150, Issue 6 (Steve Litt)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2023 21:36:47 +0200
> From: Johannes Truschnigg <johannes at truschnigg.info>
> To: fpc-other at lists.freepascal.org
> Subject: Re: [fpc-other] #fpc irc channel
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> Dear fpc-other list members,
>
> I've only just now subscribed to this list and had to reconstruct a number of
> headers from pipermail-provided HTML - nevertheless, I hope this message will
> slot into the proper thread concerning IRC channel woes.
>
> Even though similar complaints on the official Lazarus forums have not led to
> a noticeable outcome for the IRC channels concerned there, I would like to
> direct your attention to my personal attempt at raising this issue there
> earlier this year:
>
> https://forum.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php/topic,62584.0.html
>
> Lazarus forum moderators have banned all discussion involving IRC on their
> platform as the (somewhat understandable) consequence of a number of users
> independently raising this issue during recent months.
>
> If you take the time to review and reflect on the actions taken by Joanna on
> channels under her control on libera.chat, I believe you will arrive at the
> conclusion that her interpretation of the role as a channel's steward and
> all-powerful operator can only be perceived as detrimental to any positive and
> inclusive form of community one could hope to foster in such a setting.
>
> Thank you for your time, attention and consideration.
>
> --
> with best regards:
> - Johannes Truschnigg
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> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2023 16:36:15 -0400
> From: Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com>
> To: fpc-other at lists.freepascal.org
> Subject: Re: [fpc-other] fpc-other Digest, Vol 150, Issue 6
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> HSN via fpc-other said on Fri, 21 Apr 2023 10:14:56 +0000
>
>>The ban list for #fpc can be accessed by typing /mode #fpc b
>>I hereby relinquish all claims to said list donate it to whomever
>>wishes to recruit new members for their own channel.
>
> I think the official FPC project should register #fpc FAST! We want
> #FPC conforming to the project's agenda, not to some individual agenda.
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
> Autumn 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/thrive.htm
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2023 13:38:22 -0700
> From: Ralf Quint <freedos.la at gmail.com>
> To: fpc-other at lists.freepascal.org
> Subject: Re: [fpc-other] Why #fpc matters
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> On 4/20/2023 11:33 PM, HSN via fpc-other wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone this is Joanna
>>
> That was obvious...
>>
>> I discovered fpc and Lazarus around 2014. Before that I was involved
>> with online gaming and programming bots.
>>
> That explains a lot...
> (And just for the record, I am using Free Pascal since at least 1997,
> when it was still "just" a 386 code producing clone of Turbo Pascal and
> still named FPK (Florian's Pascal Kompiler, IIRC the first copyright
> statements back in those days)
>
> ...
>
> I don't care personally for any IRC channel (nor Discord, Slack, or
> anything along those lines), but it seems that you have taken a very
> dictatorial and oppressive view and thus actions on the IRC channel,
> which seem to be rather detrimental and contrary to your stated
> intention of "promoting FPC"...
>
> For example, a lot of people might just be "lurking", simply because
> they are new to (Free)Pascal, as well as not being able to speak and
> properly write in English, because it is not their native language. You
> are excluding and downright chastise those people for being newbies. Not
> very inclusive and inviting...
>
> Beside that people might not be able to tell you what they are working
> on, as there simply might not be a specific project, as they just might
> wanna work. But this is for you apparently just another reason to slap
> them in the face and ban them.
>
> Bottom line is that it is YOU who is "orchestrating drama" and you don't
> seem to grasp that your actions are in effect malicious to anyone in the
> project, be it developers or users.
>
> Ralf
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2023 19:52:26 -0400
> From: Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com>
> To: fpc-other at lists.freepascal.org
> Subject: [fpc-other] Rescue #fpc: was fpc-other Digest, Vol 150, Issue
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> HSN via fpc-other said on Fri, 21 Apr 2023 10:14:56 +0000
>
>>The ban list for #fpc can be accessed by typing /mode #fpc b
>
> I had no idea the situation was as bad as it is until I ran the
> preceding command. #fpc has banned 53 people, 43 of whom were banned by
> Joanna. This is more people banned than any of #c, #linux, #windows,
> #systemd, #html, or #pascal.
>
>>I hereby relinquish all claims to said list donate it to whomever
>>wishes to recruit new members for their own channel.
>
> This is a step in the right direction. Thank you Joanna.
>
> Tomas (Hajny), I beg you, please step in and take temporary control of
> #fpc until the project itself can take control. If #fpc is left for
> just anybody to register, things could go from bad to worse. I'd do
> it myself, except as a banned individual I can't register a channel
> I'm banned from. I'll be glad to help you. And please ASAP unban those
> 52 people, or at least the 43 banned by Joanna.
>
> Thanks,
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
> Autumn 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/thrive.htm
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2023 09:38:19 +0000
> From: Graeme Geldenhuys <mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk>
> To: fpc-other at lists.freepascal.org
> Subject: Re: [fpc-other] #fpc irc channel
> Message-ID: <2cb35fca-7c14-8de2-01c1-ad47b257d67e at geldenhuys.co.uk>
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> On 4/20/23 15:03, HSN via fpc-other wrote:
>> Irc is one of the few platforms left on the Internet where there is no phone number or email required to talk.
>
> Yet, I had to enter a valid email address to register for the #fpc IRC
> channel, and confirm its valid. So there goes that theory of yours. :-)
>
> My preference is still good old NNTP (newsgroups).
> * Doesn't require registration
> * Doesn't require a valid email address
> * Users are free to use any News Client they prefer, with the feature
> they want/need.
> * History of conversations can be stored forever - no loss of
> information (the internet is fragile enough already)
> * Past messages are searchable (an ever growing knowledge base)
>
> Hence I've been hosting newsgroups for some open source projects for
> well over a decade now.
>
> Regards,
> Graeme
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