>what, even -Oa & -Oxxr?? Peter was talking about whether or not -dnewoptimizations was being used, while you were talking about -OG3p3ra. The former is obsolete for the main branch (since all the -dnewtopimizations code has been released), but the latter isn't (since the makefiles only use -OG2p3 and not -OG3p3ra) Jonas