[Pas2js] Crowd Funding.......

Sat Dec 15 15:14:30 CET 2018

 Hi Guys
I think some crowd funding could be a good idea.
I am sure most of us contributing code do so for non financial reasons, However we also want to see these efforts used widely and there are some aspects which I believe deter new users such as modules not being available on their favorite platform. For example we have failed to get either Pas2JS or CEF running on the Raspberry Pi 3. Neither of these are fundamental problems, but they are outside my skill set so I will happily contribute to some crowd funding to address this type of housekeeping issue.
Do we need to set up some new mechanism, or can we just contribute to the Lazarus foundation?
Steve 
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  1. Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js and
      lazarus widgetset with pas2js (Edivando)
  2. Re: Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js and
      lazarus widgetset with pas2js (Ben Grasset)
  3. Re: Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js and
      lazarus widgetset with pas2js (Michael Van Canneyt)
  4. Re: Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js and
      lazarus widgetset with pas2js (Ben Grasset)
  5. Re: Anonymous functions (Sven Barth)
  6. Re: Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js and
      lazarus widgetset with pas2js (Michael Van Canneyt)

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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 08:23:41 -0700 (MST)
From: Edivando <mailedivando at gmail.com>
To: pas2js at lists.freepascal.org
Subject: [Pas2js] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js
    and lazarus widgetset with pas2js
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Crowdfunding para acelerar o desenvolvimento do pas2js e Lazarus Widgetset
com pas2js.

Criação de um fundo de doação para criação, manutenção e melhorias de um
pas2js widgetset no Lazarus, compatível com os principais componentes da
LCL. Onde esse fundo custear o desenvolvimento acelerado desse projeto com
envolvimento dos principais envolvidos por ambos os projetos pas2js e
Lazarus oferecendo um produto competitivo no mercado de hoje e trazendo a
possibilidade de códigos Legados em lcl desktop sejam reaproveitados para
uma plataforma web gerando grandes avanços para a comunidade, seus
apoiadores e usuários.
Peço o envolvimento de todos os interessados para criar um ecossistema
colaborativo e organizado. centrado nos criadores dos respectivos produtos
onde com essa ajuda monetária podem focar exclusivamente a esse projeto,
trazendo um ganho gigantesco ao nosso tão amado FPC/Lazarus/Pas2js
Peço que a comunidade discuta essa solução junto aos mantenedores dos
projetos e os responsáveis viabilize a possibilidade de um Crowdfunding onde
crie um valor de meta para tais implementações, pois num mundo de grandes
empresas tais como Google (Material Design, AngularJS, Flutter),
Oracle(Java), Twitter(Bootstrap), Apache(Cordova) e grandes soluções Open
Source tais como JQuery, React, Vue, Ionic dentre muitos outros. O produto
final usando essas soluções são excelentes programas para web e até outras
plataformas. Esses "Concorrentes" estão nos deixando para trás numa
velocidade incrível pois há muito dinheiro envolvido nesses projetos por
grandes empresas financiadoras e somente trabalhando de forma semelhante
(com financiamento dos interessados) poderemos ver nossas soluções
(FPC/Lazarus/Pas2js) tão atrativas e competitivas quanto os citados acima e
muitos outros não citados.

Atenciosamente

Edivando, Brasil 

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Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js and Lazarus Widgetset
with pas2js.

Creation of a donation fund for the creation, maintenance and improvements
of a pas2js widgetset in Lazarus, compatible with the main components of
LCL. Where this fund finances the accelerated development of this project
with the involvement of the main stakeholders of both pas2js and Lazarus
projects offering a competitive product in today's market and bringing the
possibility of legacy codes in the desktop to be reused for a web platform
generating great advances for the community, its supporters and users.
I urge the involvement of all stakeholders to create a collaborative and
organized ecosystem. centered on the creators of the respective products
where with this monetary aid they can focus exclusively on this project,
bringing a gigantic gain to our beloved FPC / Lazarus / Pas2js
I ask the community to discuss this solution with the project maintainers
and the responsible ones to enable the possibility of a Crowdfunding where
it creates a goal value for such implementations, because in a world of big
companies such as Google (Material Design, AngularJS, Flutter), Oracle
(Java), Twitter (Bootstrap), Apache (Cordova) and great Open Source
solutions such as JQuery, React, Vue, Ionic among many others. The end
product using these solutions are excellent programs for web and even other
platforms. These "Competitors" are leaving us behind with incredible speed
because there is a lot of money involved in these projects by large
financing companies and only working in a similar way (with stakeholder
financing) we can see our solutions (FPC / Lazarus / Pas2js) so attractive
and competitive as mentioned above and many others not mentioned.

graciously

Edivando, Brazil

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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:27:12 -0500
From: Ben Grasset <operator97 at gmail.com>
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Frankly if I'm going to contribute financially to anything FPC-related it's
more likely to be the actual FPC. Pas2JS is a cool project and it's
definitely a very good thing that it exists, but it's a bit annoying that
for example it as of a couple days ago fully supports anonymous methods
whereas FPC still doesn't have them after ~6 years of on-and-off
development, for what as far as I can tell are not technical reasons but
ultimately just the result of poor communication between various parties.
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 19:23:03 +0100 (CET)
From: Michael Van Canneyt <michael at freepascal.org>
To: pas2js discussions <pas2js at lists.freepascal.org>
Subject: Re: [Pas2js] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2018, Ben Grasset wrote:

> Frankly if I'm going to contribute financially to anything FPC-related it's
> more likely to be the actual FPC. Pas2JS is a cool project and it's
> definitely a very good thing that it exists, but it's a bit annoying that
> for example it as of a couple days ago fully supports anonymous methods
> whereas FPC still doesn't have them after ~6 years of on-and-off
> development, for what as far as I can tell are not technical reasons but
> ultimately just the result of poor communication between various parties.

I doubt this is the reason for the delay, and I doubt even more that money is going to
make it happen more soon.

In Javascript, the implementation is simply much easier, since Javascript
natively has support for it.

Michael.

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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 13:47:10 -0500
From: Ben Grasset <operator97 at gmail.com>
To: pas2js discussions <pas2js at lists.freepascal.org>
Subject: Re: [Pas2js] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of
    pas2js and lazarus widgetset with pas2js
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 On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 1:23 PM Michael Van Canneyt <michael at freepascal.org>
wrote:

> I doubt this is the reason for the delay, and I doubt even more that money
> is going to
> make it happen more soon.
>
> In Javascript, the implementation is simply much easier, since Javascript
> natively has support for it.
>

The publicly available implementation of anonymous methods that's been
sitting in the FPC SVN branches for years at this point literally already
works though, and has for a long time. I'm aware there were some
changes/tweaks to be made/done, but not of the sort that should logically
take additional entire years to implement in my opinion. Has anyone
*actually* spoken directly with Blaise Thorne at any point since the end of
2016 or so?
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Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 09:45:33 +0100
From: Sven Barth <pascaldragon at googlemail.com>
To: pas2js at lists.freepascal.org
Subject: Re: [Pas2js] Anonymous functions
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Am 12.12.2018 um 13:43 schrieb Mattias Gaertner via Pas2js:
> Hi,
>
> I implemented anonymous functions in trunk pas2js. Now I need some
> testers.
>
> Delphi calls them "anonymous methods":
> http://docs.embarcadero.com/products/rad_studio/delphiAndcpp2009/HelpUpdate2/EN/html/devcommon/anonymousmethods_xml.html
>
> IMO "method" in Pascal usually refer to functions of objects,
> so I think "anonymous functions" is the better name.
First of: Congratulations! Second: That is my opinion as well. So in FPC 
they'll be called that, too.

Regards,
Sven

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Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 10:56:06 +0100 (CET)
From: Michael Van Canneyt <michael at freepascal.org>
To: pas2js discussions <pas2js at lists.freepascal.org>
Subject: Re: [Pas2js] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of
    pas2js and lazarus widgetset with pas2js
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2018, Ben Grasset wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 1:23 PM Michael Van Canneyt <michael at freepascal.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I doubt this is the reason for the delay, and I doubt even more that money
>> is going to
>> make it happen more soon.
>>
>> In Javascript, the implementation is simply much easier, since Javascript
>> natively has support for it.
>>
>
> The publicly available implementation of anonymous methods that's been
> sitting in the FPC SVN branches for years at this point literally already
> works though, and has for a long time. I'm aware there were some
> changes/tweaks to be made/done, but not of the sort that should logically
> take additional entire years to implement in my opinion. Has anyone
> *actually* spoken directly with Blaise Thorne at any point since the end of
> 2016 or so?

As far as I know, Sven Barth is communicating with him. 
He confirmed this not so long ago.

Of course, I didn't install a keylogger on his computer to verify that this
is actually so.

But I'm pretty sure that the availability of anonymous functions in pas2js will
motivate him more to actually finish the work than money would.

Michael.

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