[fpc-pascal] Lazarus vs MSEgui
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Fri Apr 8 11:59:17 CEST 2016
On 2016-04-08 10:08, Santiago A. wrote:
> Any body has experience in both (or another IDE for FPC) and has his two
It's MSEide - if you are refering to the IDE portion of the project. ;-)
I switch between Lazarus and MSEide very frequently. Overall I prefer
MSEide. Yes it's settings are different, but that doesn't mean bad.
Don't let habits or what you are used to detract from trying something
new. Once I got used to the MSEide way, I quite liked it a lot.
Here is my list...
Pros of MSEide:
- better code templates
- better debugging
- import & export of project settings
- macros (global and per project)
- no use of "packages" - I found macros work much better for me.
- it's really really fast. I also never install components in a IDE,
so Lazarus Packages are of no use to me.
- not too much automation. I fight more and more with Lazarus to try
and disable automation that I don't want or like. Martin managed to
strike the exact right balance between automated code generation,
and the programmer doing what it loves - writing code.
- Code navigation is not as fussy as Lazarus. eg: I have lots of code
with include files in the head of the unit. From another project,
Lazarus refuses to navigate that code. MSEide has no troubles.
- It is very stable, and Martin is super fast at fixing things.
Normally everything gets done the same day. I have no idea how he
finds the time to manage that!!
- Code Templates: Much better implemented than Lazarus. Separate
files for each template (thus easy to share or update). Quick to
configure or modify, and has all the features needed.
- Very good cross-platform console output window support. No need to
run apps in a separate console window, just to see output. The IDE
does this for you across platforms and consistently.
- Fantastic docking support. I can configure the IDE in seconds just
the way I want - per project too. I like the small detached
"control center" as Martin calls it - the main IDE window.
Cons of MSEide
- some quirky behaviour in the editor, but Martin has explain his
reasoning for some - which actually makes perfect sense.
- Minor: Yes by default fonts are small, but again it is done to fit
as much on the screen as posible. Simply pass a command line
parameter to the IDE to adjust any fonts - a simple fix.
- No code-insight (or very limited). I think that's what it is called.
Where you type for example a . and then get a list of available
methods pop up. My work-around is to code with DocView help viewer
permanently open on the side so I can quickly search for what I
I can't evaluate the gui toolkit MSEgui, as I don't use that. Neither do
I use LCL for that matter.
Pros of Lazarus:
- Everybody here loves Delphi. Lazarus copies Delphi, so many seem
instantly at home and happy. I'm not a lemming. ;-)
- Some like all the automation (code completion, auto indentation
- Debugging is moving in the right direction, but I still don't think
it's as good as MSEide.
Cons of Lazarus:
- Things break often. As the saying goes: "Too many hands in the pot".
- Things change often.
- Lazarus Packages. Recently I was told I don't understand them
correctly. I simply don't like them (I used too). Compiler settings
often differ in a package compared to the project itself. Sometimes
changes in code in a package (especially if include files were used)
are not detected on a recompile of the project doesn't trigger a
recompile of the package in question. This happens often, and I
waste a lot of time debugging something I should have to. Sometimes
packages a recompiled for no reason.
- I hate all the automation added to Lazarus. I fight for hours trying
to disable some feature, and often can't find where... the settings
are too complex and spread out over multiple screens. eg: In my one
copy of Lazarus it still does seemingly random indentation or
begin..end completion - often producing code I don't want. I still
can't figure out where to disable that.
- big toolbar buttons in every IDE window - wasting massive amounts
of screen space.
- LCL is inconsistent in feature between platforms. So I can't set up
my IDE under Windows the same as I can under FreeBSD or Linux. For
example I like my editor tabs on the right, and the tab text MUST
be horizontal. This is not possible with LCL-Qt or LCL-Win.
I'm sure spending more time I can add more items to each category. My
advice. Try each one for a week at least. Ask questions if you don't
understand. You can't evaluate something as complex as an IDE in a
single day, or worse, just a couple of hours.
- Graeme -
fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal
My public PGP key: http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp
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