[fpc-other] I thought it was going to get better, but no.

Johannes Truschnigg johannes at truschnigg.info
Sun Apr 23 11:53:33 CEST 2023

Good day to you all!

On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 07:48:35AM +0200, Tomas Hajny via fpc-other wrote:
> On 23 April 2023 04:16:41 +0200, Steve Litt via fpc-other <fpc-other at lists.freepascal.org> wrote:
> [...]
> Indeed; it's pure revenge. :-( I believe that you might contact the server
> administrators and ask them if they consider this an acceptable behaviour.

The libera.chat network operators actually had their eyes on the #fpc and
#lazarus channels a while back (before I had noticed - and later felt - the
problem with Joanna's excessive use of moderation powers myself... please
check the forum thread at [0] and the transcript at [1] in particular (esp.
around the [17:33:28] timestamp) for details).

However, due to network policy, they cannot and will not meaningfully

I approached one of those operators in private after they had gathered some
information concerning the situation in channels managed by Joanna, and one of
them told me (direct quote):

  "We wish there was something we could do but we have a hands off policy
  unless network policies are being violated and in this case they are not :("

They also told me that they were "frustrated at the whole siutation", which I
can *very* much relate to.

The only ones who can fix the situation are those who can exercise the same or
more powers over the channel(s) as/than Joanna can. For #fpc, those persons'
registered nicknames are, as far as I gather from Chanserv:

 - arahael
 - nickysn
 - Chain|Q

> >I had thought that Joanna meant it when she said she'd step down from her
> >operator status at #fpc to allow for somebody else to take that over, and I
> >thought we were all going to be happy, but obviously I was wrong.
> I believe that you misinterpreted her statement. If I understand it
> correctly, she just wrote that somebody could invite the banned people to a
> different channel, but she never considered to free her supposed kingdom.
> :-(

Turns out I had initially misinterpreted her statement to the mailing list in
that very same way as well, but the follow-up in her usual, defiant tone
cleared things up very well...

It's a pity this channel should go to waste because of its mad ruler.

Thankfully, #lazarus has apparently been saved in the meantime.

> >I suggest the FPC project remove channel #fpc from
> >https://wiki.freepascal.org/FPC_IRC_channel . There's no need to subject
> >any FPC using people or people who want to use FPC to the kind of
> >moderation that now happens on #fpc. Like it or not, the extreme moderation
> >practices on #fpc reflect very badly on the FPC project.
> I would think that the disclaimer added to those pages should be sufficient?

If it were my decision, I would not endorse any of the channels subject to
Joanna's moderation even by mentioning. But then again I believe to have been
treated _very_ unfairly by her in the past (again, see [0]), so I'm probably
not the best advisor to rely on in the matter ;)

Of course, I will continue using both fpc and lazarus, no matter what comes of
this little tragedy. Both projects are of much too awesome utility to me to
leave them behind just because of some toxic individual's unjust rule over
some project-adjacent IRC property.

[0]: https://forum.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php/topic,62584.0.html
[1]: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/fdc31280

with best regards:
- Johannes Truschnigg ( johannes at truschnigg.info )
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