[fpc-other] SpVoice.GetVoices To GPL flame discussion ;-)

[Lukasz Sokol]

On 12/04/17 15:42, noreply at z505.com wrote:
> On 2017-04-12 08:26, Lukasz Sokol wrote:
>> On 12/04/17 13:37, noreply at z505.com wrote:
>>> On 2017-04-12 07:01, fredvs wrote:
>>>> Hello.
>>>> 
>>>> There is also a free-open-source project : espeak : 
>>>> http://espeak.sourceforge.net
>>>> 
>>>> The licence is GNU General Public License so you may use the 
>>>> executable like you want.
>>> 
>>> The GPL is a restrictive license, so you may not use it like you 
>>> want..
>>> 
>> Don't want to sound like a GPL zealot, b/c I'm not...
>> 
>> but this (and below) is mostly 'depends' : on how you want the 
>> software model to work, how do you value feedback, and how do you 
>> care of people taking advantage of your code in various ways, 
>> without you knowing it.
>> 
>> There, that's about as neutral as I dare to name it ;)
>> 
>> (I also tend to trust GPL/LGPL/MPL released programs more than I'd
>> do with anything 'less restrictive' - from end user perspective)
>> 
> 
> I find a lot of GPL applications to be low quality, half assed works,
> as no one is paid to work on these programs since GPL sets a price
> monopoly of zero dollars on the product.
> 
> But there are some high quality GPL apps out there.
> 
> It's just that when people are paid to work on products, you get
> super high quality software such as say, oh I don't know, Adobe
> graphics editing tools such as photoshop, adobe pdf reader (acrobat).
> Compare that to the absolute sh(t tools on unix that are GPL'd such
> as the old ghostscript reader or clunky GIMP.
> 
> Now, paid software does end up producing Bloatware and featuritis
> though, whereas BSD tools remain simple without as many knobs and
> featuritis.
> 
> But a sh*t tool like midnight commander at the command prompt is just
> no comparison to a paid product like Total Commander which is by far
> superior in all ways to going back to the dark ages and using a text
> mode norton commander gpl program... But then again, you have a GPL'd
> Double Commander which is a very nice tool. See the problem with
> Double Commander is it violates its own license. Double Commander
> allows you to load pretty much any Total Commander plugin, and that
> itself is a violation of the GPL because those plugins are not GPL,
> (many of them) and therefore you are violating the GPL by loading non
> gpl compatible plugin dll's... So if double commander was just a "Do
> anything the f*ck you want with it" license, such as bsd/mit, then
> there would be no violation, hence the superiority of a truly free
> license like mit/bsd.
> 
> All the little double commander users (myself included) are
> constantly violating every single word and line in the GPL by loading
> non gpl compatible total commander plugins, but no one cares, because
> GPL violations happen every single day, thousands of them, and people
> actually use GPL software more like bsd/mit software - just no one
> actually reports these violations nor gives a flying sh*t or a flying
> f*ck..
> 
> Yeah, in practice, everyone uses GPL code as if it was bsd/mit
> licensed.
> 
> Another example is THE INTERNET, where all gpl code on the internet
> is hidden from site. Businesses use gpl code to run their website
> software programs and never release any of the gpl code and keep it
> secret from you on their servers, because apparently according to the
> Great Richard Stallman, you can ship your web program to people
> without releasing the source since it is just a pipe of text, but any
> time you pipe stuff over X11 you have to release the sources. It's
> called hypocrisy...
> 
> Or, some call it "GNG is Not GNU"
> 
> No offenses intended to you personally, it's just that most people do
> not actually understand the GPL and are using all this GPL'd code as
> if it was bsd/mit licensed, when really it's not.
> 
I said, I am not a zealot ;) 

I use GIMP and it works for me for what I need it to do.

I use MC and it works for me for what I need to do.

I use versions included in my daily driver OS (Debian (still) Wheezy with Backports...)
and they work for me for what I do ;)

The only non-canon program in my daily driver, is the Firefox ;) because Debian Policy is stupid here :J
other than that I use what's provided and it works for me.

:)

> Double Commander is the perfect example of where GPL cripples the
> application and people do not even realize it, because they just go
> ahead and violate the GPL and don't care. Any time anyone loads a non
> gpl compatible plugin into double commander, which they do daily..
> they are violating the gpl. If it was bsd/mit licensed, there would
> be no worry, you'd just do whatever the f*ck you want and get on with
> life :-)
> 
> That's what I call freedom.
> 
> But as for the actual criminal gang stalkers who write GPL code such
> as the openbsd developers.... Let's just say that people who write
> good code, are not necessarily the best people to actually have
> personal relationships with in real life. I don't know about freebsd
> developers or dragonflybsd developers or mozilla/gpl developers.
> Basically all humans deserve hell roast for being socially inept. 

lol :)

-L.