[fpc-other] [fpc-pascal] Missing messages

[Allan]

On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 22:36:59 +0000
Graeme Geldenhuys <mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk> wrote:

> On 2016-10-30 18:57, Tomas Hajny wrote:
> > 
> > Responding to fpc-other, because it's off-topic.
> 
> I can't see why... but okay.
> 
> 
> > I don't miss any messages, i.e. it isn't a general problem (which
> > obviously doesn't imply that there is no problem).
> 
Neither do I, and I only get this 'maillist' as a newsgroup from
Gmane :-)

> Over the years I have seen so many issues with the mailing lists.
> Missing messages, messages being delivered out of sequence, some
> domains not accept etc etc.
> 
> > On the other hand, NNTP is not guaranteed to be free of spam,
> 
> Yes, the Usenet Newsgroups are often pestered with spam. But if you
> looked at any private NNTP servers, 99.99% of the time there is zero
> spam messages. Plus the newsgroup admin can simply delete such a post,
> and nobody else would see it - that can't be done with mailing lists.

Deleting spam manually from newsgroups means spam did get sent to other
newsservers, and the user that was quick got it. However, newsservers
usually have spamfilters too, that takes most from the start.
 
> > nor ensuring smooth
> > communication for everybody either (as an example, it may not be
> > accessible from corporate environments).
> 
> Over the years I have heard many say that, but I am yet to see such a
> case. That obviously doesn't mean it doesn't happen, it is just very
> unlikely. And even if it does, that is exactly why I host a Web
> Interface to my news server - for those very rare edge cases.

I work at such a company, where only Web is available though a proxy. 
And yes, in that case a webforum on top of a newsserver works fine.
I run such a solution myself - mine does also include a mail <-> news
gateway - so it can still be used as maillist also --  and still running
on good old OS/2 ;-)

> I can also argue that many corporate environments would frown upon
> using a company email account to register to a non-company related
> mailing list. In the past I have also had some issues with company
> email accounts and mailing lists - very dependent on how the company
> emails are set up and how messages are being distributed.

The most notorious problems with people subscribing from office accounts
is IMHO the 'I'm not in the OFFICE now' - a pain for all maillists.

> NNTP has many other benefits too:
[..]
I obliously agree with all of it ;-)

> Hey, we even have an excellent news client written in Object Pascal -
> just take a look an XanaNews! btw: XanaNews supports all the above
> benefits and much much more.
> 
>  Github repository
>    https://github.com/graemeg/xananews/
> 
>  XanaNews releases
>   HTTP://github.com/graemeg/xananews/releases

Available for all the OS/platforms that FPC supports ?

Anyway, I agree, that newsservers are the best for this, so it
is nice, that all FPC maillists are on Gmane now.
Unfortunately, that have been some talks about stopping the Gmane
service, so it would be nice to see fpc lists on a more permanent
newsserver.


  Allan.