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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/10/2024 15:17, Hairy Pixels via
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Oct 19, 2024 at 8:06:44 PM,
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type="cite"> NOTE: the below is NOT about ARC. It is about the
implication that ARC == Safety (in the environment that we
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Not following "in the environment that we have”. I’m just saying
manual memory management is hard and bug prone which leads to
crashing. New programmers are not usually keen on taking on this
burden when they have easier solutions which let the compiler
automate the hard parts. <br>
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Well, I replied to "memory safety" from <br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/10/2024 14:20, Hairy Pixels via
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<div dir="ltr">So right now if you wanted a low level compiled
language to learn and you want some memory safety you’re still
going for C++.</div>
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The problem with "new user want..." is that we don't have that date.
But also, more important, even if some of our assumptions are right,
we don't know how many of those will stay "programmers" at all.<br>
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It is easy to try some coding, when you have a language that (seems
to) do everything for you. And you get some quick nice looking, but
little functionality apps. But if you want to continue from there,
you need to dive deeper. On that basis, you will reach a point were
you can't go further. <br>
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If this is about getting more users, then it doesn't help attracting
people who will stay only a few month (and would do the same on any
other environment).<br>
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I don't disagree, that there are bits and pieces that could help.
But not every "new user wants" will really increase the amount of
users.<br>
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And then, many of those that will be more long term dedicated could
equally (if not better) be helped by creating tutorials (video and
text), and other helpful info. So lets go there first. Because there
are a lot more people who have enough skills to do that, and who
could put in the manpower, and save the core team from needing to
spent time on it.<br>
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