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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/16/24 6:00 AM, Hairy Pixels via
fpc-pascal wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">FPC is not keeping up with trends in the industry
which new programmings want despite all the older programmers
who are settled in their ways. Even if there is a market for
Lazarus type apps people in 2024 don’t want to use a massive
legacy IDE and prefer better tools like VSCode.</div>
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What trends, exactly? Can you be more specific?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">If you want to use FPC these days what does a new
user do? If they follow tutorials on YouTube they expect to have
some VSCode package installed easily and start working that way.
FPC of course has no official support for this and it’s hard to
get my language server and it’s buggy due to CodeTools (a user
created project with no official backing AFAIK).</div>
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If you think that way, then maybe create your own VSCode plugin for
Pascal. What "official backing" do you expect, exactly? There's no
such thing as "official backing". There are things that users care
enough about to donate their development time and work on them.
That's how open source works. How is it CodeTools' fault that your
language server is buggy? Did you submit merge requests with fixes?
Did they get rejected?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">As for the language I think for GUI apps
programmers don’t need or want a manual memory managed language
like Pascal and would prefer something like C#. In general the
ease of programming is not there in Pascal compared to other
languages and the community is extremely resistant to change.</div>
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<p>Do you have a garbage collection proposal for Pascal?</p>
<p>Free Pascal has a JVM target that supports garbage collection and
pretty much nobody is using it. Why do you think that is?</p>
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<div dir="ltr">I don’t think it’s hard to see Pascal are simply
going to get old and die at this point. I even had an old time
programmer contact me and say how much more productive he is
with Swift when writing macOS apps now so quit using FPC.
There’s lots of reason for this so FPC would need to be actively
learning and making changes to keep pace.</div>
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One developer moving from one language to another is pretty
anecdotal. IMO, Swift is a pretty decent language, but there's
nothing entirely original or amazing for Object Pascal developers.
It's an improvement over C, C++, Objective C, etc, but not so much
over Object Pascal. What is it about Swift, that makes your old time
friend more productive when writing macOS apps? Is it really the
language, or is it the Apple IDE and framework? If it's the latter,
there's a cost to that, your app isn't multiplatform, you need to
rewrite it, if you want to support other platforms. Apple has no
incentive in making that process easy.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Too many details to go into but there’s myriad
problems that would need to be addressed. <br>
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<p>Unlike others, your post is so negative and so vague and light in
details it almost looks like trolling.</p>
<p>Best regards,</p>
<p>Nikolay<br>
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From: Rainer Stratmann via fpc-pascal <<a
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Date: Oct 16, 2024 at 6:07:58 AM<br>
Subject: [fpc-pascal] What to do to get new users<br>
To: FPC mailing list <<a
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Cc: Rainer Stratmann <<a
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At the Lazarus Congress in Cologne in October 2024, it ended up
being very<br>
interesting. An important question came up.<br>
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Why are no new users coming to Lazarus/Freepascal?<br>
Why do we find it so difficult?<br>
How can we get new, younger users to come to us?<br>
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