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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 21.07.2018 um 22:43 schrieb Ben
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 1:20 AM, Sven
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Because a feature might change the language in a way
that's not in the spirit of the language. Look at how
Delphi implemented attributes: they're declared in front
of the types, fields, parameters, whatever, simply copied
from how C# implemented them while in the spirit of Pascal
they should have been *after* the declarations.<br>
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<span
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itself is heavily inspired by Delphi though, as it's another
Anders Hejlsberg project. I fail to see what the "spirit of
the language" has to do with anything as far as attributes,
either.</span>
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<div
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the attribute tags just be put wherever it's easiest for the
compiler to deal with them?</div>
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If we go by that then the current attribute syntax is especially
bad, because the compiler now needs to gracefully fail with
declarations like this:<br>
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=== code begin ===<br>
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[TSomeAttribute]<br>
uses<br>
foobar;<br>
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=== code end ===<br>
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If there'd be a syntax to add them as postfix ones then it would be
easier for the compiler (the following is merely an example):<br>
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=== code begin ===<br>
<br>
type<br>
TSomeClass = class(TObject) with [TSomeAttribute]<br>
fSomeField with [TSomeOtherAttribute]: LongInt;<br>
property WhatEver: LongInt read fSomeField with
[TYetAnotherAttribute];<br>
end;<br>
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=== code end ===<br>
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<div
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think the vast majority of people care far more about how<span> </span><i>useful<span> </span>Pascal actually
is in real life</i><span> </span>than they do</div>
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whether or not it fulfills some not-well-defined notion of
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And that's why there are people who *do* care about it. Of course
you can put everything and the kitchen think into a language. But if
it doesn't fit the language than you'll simply end up with a melting
pot that doesn't feel coherent. Also while people might not
consciously think about the spirit of the language I think they'll
feel if the language is coherent with itself or not.<br>
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<div
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as far as I can tell, most of the people who use FPC would
consider the Delphi way to be the correct or normal way of
doing things in the first place.</div>
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Considering that more often than not there are discussions on these
lists if we should continue to follow Delphi compatibility or not
you might be surprised...<br>
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Sven<br>
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