<div dir="ltr">2018-04-03 14:21 GMT+07:00 Michael Van Canneyt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michael@freepascal.org" target="_blank">michael@freepascal.org</a>></span>:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail-"><br></span>I meant the icon it uses for the IDE.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Do you mean this: <a href="http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/File:Lazarus-icons-lpr-proposal-bpsoftware.png">http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/File:Lazarus-icons-lpr-proposal-bpsoftware.png</a> ?</div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail-"></span>
A lot thinner :)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Let's see what I can do.</div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">And here I will stop: as said, branding is not a subject I am particularly<br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
fond of or interested in. I am more interested in the contents of the box<br>
than in the packaging...</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well… if we want Pascal to be known again –as modern programming language, not the old 70's Pascal– then branding is quite important. Especially to young generation. See what Apple has been achiving with Swift within only 4 years. It goes from nothing to the top 10 of most known programming languages of the world today, despite all of its flaws and immaturity. Sure it's also helped by the power of Apple's brand (and marketting), it's still a good achievement nevertheless.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail-"></span>
If we're looking for 'My little pony' kind of people, then we should<br>
definitely aim for cute :)<br>
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But this is not exactly the kind of people I think we should attract.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, I'm exactly aiming at young people, the next generation of Pascal developers. I've been seeing FPC's core devs team doesn't change much since the first time I found FPC almost 20 years ago. I mean no offense, but I'm not hoping to see this same team again for the next 20 years. I hope we're starting to see new and younger people joining this great open source project that we love. These young people is our hope to keep Pascal alive in the future.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">A cheetah is not cute. It's a wild animal which will have no compunction<br>
about slashing your throat or ripping your intestines out if you get it<br>
cornered.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It's just a logo. It's a brand, not a 100% exact representation of the product/company. Don't take it too literally. Python is also a wild and dangerous animal, but Python language and the users are very far from that. :)</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I get this often too, but now I show them pas2js.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I meant Pascal for server side web app, similar to Python or PHP or whatever.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">But unfortunately, I don't believe a flashy/cute/whatever logo will change this...</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Of course, a new logo isn't a silver bullet. It won't make Pascal famous overnight. This new logo surely wouldn't help much if we don't follow it with promotions and good contents. But at least, we have a new, fresh, attractive, and modern face to begin with. Hopefully this new face would bring new spirit to the community to do more. I've read somewhere in the list/forum, some people even suggested to change Pascal name to break the relation and association to the old Pascal. Should we?</div><div><br></div><div>You know what, almost every time I talk about Pascal to young developers, they think the old and stupid Brian Kernighan's article "Why Pascal is Not My Favorite Programming Language" still applied. It's the reason why RemObject use a new name for its Pascal-based compiler.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I am curious :)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thank you, but I can't promise you anything yet. I'm doing this in my spare time, mostly on the weekend. We're in no rush, just consider this as a mind project.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I really do appreciate you taking the time to do this. It's not because I<br>
think differently about what the result should be that I don't appreciate the effort you put in this, so thank you for that !</blockquote><div><br></div><div>You're welcome. I fully understand it. It's alright. In fact, we need your opinion, also from other FPC core devs as well. We need to know what you guys want with the logo in particular and the project in general. This new logo proposal means nothing without core devs' approval. I'm just a happy user and big supporter of FPC who haven't contribute anything useful to the project. </div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div></div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><br><div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>–Mr Bee</div></div></div></div>
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