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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 31.10.2013 14:42, schrieb Frederic
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          <div class="gmail_quote">2013/10/31 Sven Barth <span
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                <div>Am 31.10.2013 12:38, schrieb Frederic Da Vitoria:<br>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">2013/10/31 Sven Barth
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                                <div>Am 31.10.2013 02:45, schrieb
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                                            style="font-family:arial">2013/10/30
                                            Jonas Maebe </span><span
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                                              This is not equivalent. A
                                              private type declaration
                                              in a class adds a new
                                              identifier that is visible
                                              inside that class. You
                                              then use it, still in that
                                              class, to declare the
                                              return type of a function.
                                              Next, in a scope where
                                              that type identifier is no
                                              longer visible, you call
                                              the function.<br>
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                                              My example is a complete
                                              match to that scenario as
                                              far as identifier
                                              visibility is concerned
                                              (you use a type in a scope
                                              where it is visible to
                                              declare a function return
                                              type, and then call the
                                              function in a scope where
                                              it is not visible). In
                                              your example, the type is
                                              not visible in the place
                                              where the function is
                                              declared but only where it
                                              is defined
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                                              <div>This is logically
                                                WRONG. Because to the
                                                machine, any function
                                                return value can be seen
                                                as an array of bytes,
                                                for example, a pointer
                                                is array[0..3] of Byte
                                                on a 32-bit machine.
                                                 The purpose of type
                                                system is to explain
                                                what these bytes stands
                                                for. So, if a type is
                                                out-of-scope, how do you
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                                              <div>The current "delphi
                                                compatible"
                                                implementation IS using
                                                the type information to
                                                compile the program,
                                                i.e. although it is not
                                                visible, it is indeed
                                                used by the compile,
                                                which, in my opinion,
                                                violates visibility
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                                              <div>Standing on your view
                                                point, if a type is no
                                                longer visible, but a
                                                variable (function
                                                return value) of that
                                                type is in current
                                                scope, and understood by
                                                the program, this means,
                                                this value itself
                                                carries type
                                                information!  Is is kind
                                                of meta data available
                                                in Pascal? If so, I
                                                think RTTI should work
                                                for ANY kind of
                                                primitive data types.</div>
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                                For unit interfaces there is indeed the
                                point that if unit A uses unit B then
                                the program which uses unit A will be
                                able to access types used by unit A.
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                                this way at least since Turbo Pascal
                                (though without classes then ;) ).<br>
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                        <div class="gmail_extra">Yes, I agree this is
                          the TP/Delphi way, and as such should be kept
                          at least in DELPHI mode. But is this really
                          good? Doesn't this contradict the Pascal
                          philosophy? Borland did a few questionable
                          things (look at how you used the semicolons in
                          you examples above ;-) ), and it took some
                          decisions when implementing units. But how is
                          this handled in Modula?<br clear="all">
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                Undoing this even for only non-TP/Delphi modes would
                mean adjusting very much code out there. So no, this is
                how Object Pascal works.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">Ah, you mean that this is too much
          intricately mixed with the compiler code and it would be much
          too much work to change? OK, this I understand :-)<br
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    It's not about being mixed with the compiler code it's about too
    many legacy code relying on this behavior, because it's a given
    since TP times.<br>
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    Regartds,<br>
    Sven<br>
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