[fpc-pascal] OT: Rename for Pascal

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Hi Michael,

I will write here instead of inline...
I personally know a company that wrote a product using Delphi, and had
an already existed product, but when they came to raise some money,
the only thing that really interested the investors where that they
use Delphi instead of Java, and forced the company to rewrite
*everything* to Java, making a lot of new problems, and things that
did worked on Delphi, did not work on the Java implementation, and at
the end the company disappeared from the face of the earth...

Another not Pascal related argument is from my last work place... The
company developed a vulnerability assessment tool, but when we found a
problem and then found out it was a false positive or a false
negative, we could not use that terms, we needed to use the terms of
"bugs" or "glitches" because it sounds better...

I have a lot more examples of such problems using the "Pascal" and the
way it "sounds"...

And in the bottom line, it's all about marketing.

Ido

On 8/13/07, Michael Van Canneyt <michael at freepascal.org> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Skybuck Flying wrote:
>
> > Well there are some things ofcourse wrong with Free Pascal:
>
> I'm assuming you were being sarcastic or ironic. You can
> assume the same when you read this reply.
>
> >
> > 1. First the name:
> >
> > "Free"
> >
> > Bussiness people don't believe in "Free".
>
> So what ?
> We don't believe in such business people in the first place.
>
> >
> > 2. Free Pascal Quality itself:
> >
> > When I see simple things not working like:
> >
> > Read or Readln or whatever, I run away screaming from Free Pascal ;) :)
>
> If you see a bug, please file a report. All the rest is FUD.
>
> And be realistic: I asked a C++ programmer how to read a simple string from file.
> After 4 hours of looking through the MFC help, he had to admit that he didn't
> know how. And this is NOT a joke, but a real life situation. The guy was payed
> more than I was.
>
> >
> > 3. It doesn't have an advanced development environment like Visual Studio 2005
> > or Delphi 7 / Delphi 2007 (last one sucky though)
> >
> > I have seen onde IDE Lazareus or something like that and it's a clone of
> > Delphi 7 but it doesn't have the quality yet :)
>
> Well. Delphi 7 crashes every second debug run in my day-time job.
> Lazarus still has to crash on me.
>
> Please provide REAL arguments, REAL missing features. All the rest is FUD.
>
> Use Lazarus for a month daily, to develop a real program, and then come back.
> People who have used lazarus for about 1 hour and then tell us
> 'this and that feature is not working'
> just do not have any right of voice. Lazarus has quite a lot of options
> which Delphi does not have, and vice versa. You must go through a learning
> curve, like with any other product.
>
> You can't judge a book by looking at its cover.
>
> >
> > 4. Pascal sounds oooooldddddddddd and reminds people of the 16 bit dos/days.
> > Yak ! Full of frustration, limitations, and code going into the waste basket
> > ;) :)
>
> Only for stupid programmers. We are not interested in people who look only
> to the package or the surface. They are hype-sensitive and will disappear
> as soon as the next hype comes along.
>
> >
> > 5. Special features for Free Pascal, what does it offer that the other tools
> > do not ?
>
> The question is not what it has to offer more: the question is what the other
> tools offer more. The answer is: Nothing whatsoever. At most, they save some
> typing using some obscure language features. So what ? Use code templates in
> your favourite IDE, and you'll have to type even less.
>
> Pascal is a decent language, just like any other. Why would we need to defend it ?
> We prove daily that it 'just works'.
>
> >
> > I know free pascal can cross compile but for now I only need to compile for
> > Windows 32 bit and maybe Windows 64 bit in the future ;)
> >
> > What features does free pascal offer for Win32 or Win64 development which
> > other environments do not ?
>
> For a start: it works; Just start Lazarus. You mentioned Delphi: it does not work.
>
> If you see a business person, do not spread FUD, give real arguments.
>
> I converted my company from a VB company to a Delphi company.
> I just used Delphi, and simply showed to them that I could do
> the work better, cleaner and faster than they did in the past.
>
> Any business man should be sensitive to that: time is money.
>
> Michael.
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